the other person who is sort of a heart-centered person in the administration is joe biden. >> yeah. >> jennifer: and they are both -- joe and hilary very close and of course potentially competitors in a 2016 run. do you think that would actually happen? would one of them step back for the other? because they are very dear friends? >> here is the one thing i can tell you about both of them that i believe. if either/or both of them choose to run for president, it will because they both believe they have something to offer. not because either of them believe they have something to prove. and that isn't always true with candidates. and i think if that is the case we have a field of terrific candidates. and that's to the benefit of the american people and the democratic party. >> jennifer: absolutely. and do you think she can beat chris christie. >> i think hillary clinton can do just about anything she sets her mind to. >> jennifer: all right. thank you, kiki. up next political figures from massachusetts have cornered the market on intrigue and speculation over the last year elizabeth w